Hayley Marshall Kenner Fate Debate

Sophie Bennett

Alright, David, let’s kick off with Hayley’s journey, because honestly, her arc in The Originals is a bit wild when you look back at it, isn’t it? I mean, from the very start in season one, she’s this sort of outsider swept up in the Mikaelson mess, and you watch her go from, you know, this vulnerable pregnant werewolf to a genuinely powerful figure in her own right. I always remember thinking—especially after she aligned with Klaus and ended up sort of bridging the Original family to the werewolf world—like...she just never really caught a break, did she?

David hosh

Yeah, you’re spot on there, Sophie. The werewolf politics alone were enough to make my head spin, like, between her trying to protect Hope and getting caught up in all the clan rivalries—phew. But you know, that’s what made her so interesting. She never stayed in one box for too long. She’d be a mom, then a queen, suddenly at odds with Elijah one minute and saving Klaus the next. I can’t even keep up sometimes. And I think, that all those alliances and shifting loyalties, that’s what built up the sense that her decisions always had consequences, you know?

Sophie Bennett

Absolutely, and I feel like that’s key when we get to her final moments. Each choice—saving her daughter, siding with certain factions, even when she made mistakes, it was all building up to, well, her importance not just as a plot device, but as someone who raised the stakes for everyone else. Watching her transformation, you could almost feel this sense that the show was preparing us for something massive. But I gotta say, even rewatching those episodes now, I’m not convinced it set up what happened in the end as neatly as they maybe thought it did.

David hosh

Right, right. I mean, when you get to her last episodes—her being so determined to save Hope, standing up against just about everyone, making the ultimate sacrifice—it felt earned in some ways, but I remember thinking, did it actually need to play out that way? Or was it just that typical supernatural TV ‘no one’s safe’ vibe the writers love to throw in whenever things get slow?

David hosh

So, on that note, what really gets me is whether her death moved the story forward in a meaningful way or if it was just for, like, shock value, you know? I mean, you’ve got examples in other shows too—like Lexa from The 100 comes to mind, and I was rewatching some of that with my daughter while she was up late one night. The fandom always goes mad with those big deaths, especially when it’s kind of outta nowhere. Feels like the writers sometimes just want everyone tweeting ‘I can’t believe they did that!’ the next morning.

Sophie Bennett

That’s a really good example with Lexa, actually. The parallels are almost too clear. Both were strong, complex women, and their deaths left a pretty vocal segment of the audience feeling, honestly, quite cheated. It’s hard not to see the pattern sometimes—these high-impact female characters going out in either super violent or sudden ways. And I know not every show does it as a mere plot twist, but you do start to wonder: was Hayley’s death really about pushing Hope’s story or Klaus’s grief, or was it more about giving people a gut punch to talk about online?

David hosh

And there’s always this argument among fans about whether you can have big stakes without killing people off. I get it, a dangerous world should feel, well, dangerous, but it’s a fine line. Sometimes it feels like “let’s just shock ‘em and see what happens.” For Hayley, it was pretty brutal, even for The Originals, which is saying something. I might be wrong here, but I feel like the narrative payoff could’ve worked just as well—or maybe even better—if she’d survived, and, I dunno, found a new purpose, especially for the younger fans who kinda saw themselves in her, you know?

Sophie Bennett

Yeah, I think that’s fair. There’s something to be said for not closing every arc with a death, especially when you’ve invested so much in building up a character’s agency and complexity. In Hayley’s case, her absence changed the dynamic, sure, but I’m still not convinced it was the only, or even the best, narrative choice available. It almost raises more questions than it answers—about the show’s priorities and, honestly, about how often shock value trumps story logic in supernatural TV these days.

Sophie Bennett

And you know what, that takes us right into the chaos that happened with the fans after Hayley’s death. I mean, it was all over Twitter—campaigns, hashtags, people saying they’d stop watching until the writers ‘fixed it’ or whatever. The backlash was honestly intense, especially compared to some of the other character exits on the show. I don’t think they expected so many people to take it as, well, almost a personal affront.

David hosh

Yeah, totally. I remember seeing those trending hashtags and thinking, “blimey, this is next-level.” People were angry, not just because they liked Hayley, but because—if I’m getting this right—they saw it as part of a bigger trend. It’s almost like, when you lose a powerful female character that so many looked up to, it makes you rethink what the writers value, right? Plus, I noticed—again, maybe I’m just reading too many message boards during nap time—the viewership dropped off a bit after her final episode. Not a complete collapse, but you could tell some of the loyal crowd had, you know, checked out a bit.

Sophie Bennett

Exactly, and that shift in audience loyalty impacts the show’s legacy, too. Hayley wasn’t just another character, she represented a kind of resilience and complexity you don’t always get in this genre. The response highlighted how important it is to audiences that female characters aren’t just expendable shock fodder. And if we look at how the show handled female leads after Hayley, it does feel like they were treading a bit more carefully...maybe they learned something from that blowback, who knows?

David hosh

Yeah, maybe that’s one positive takeaway, right? It’s a bit like, if you push your audience too far, they’ll push back even harder. Anyway, this was a massive topic to unpack—I still feel like we barely scratched the surface!

Sophie Bennett

Honestly, we could debate Hayley’s place in The Originals’ legacy for hours, but let’s leave some of that for next time. Thanks for chatting through all the drama with me, David.